" Everyone says they want more woman in STEM and in cybersecurity , but where are the nerve pathway and opportunities ? "
Recently, a post from Reddit useru/Mahiyah(Mahiyah, for short) got a lot of attention on ther/girlsgonewiredsubreddit, “where girls get their geek on” — aka, where women go to discuss all things technology and STEM related. Mahiyahshared her first-hand account of a recent work experienceand incredulously asked, “I’m a woman, so I won’t get hired because I’ll get pregnant — eventually?!”
Here’s what happened, in Mahiyah’s own words: “I was catching up with a male network of mine, who is a director of a marketing firm, and he said lots of hiring managers think, ‘Why would anyone hire a 27-year-old [who’s] going to have a baby vs. a 22 or 23-year-old grad?'”
“I’m 24 right now and studying computer science part-time for the next six years while working full time in admin support,” says Mahiyah. “I just started my first year and will likely graduate at 30.”
She continues, “I wouldn’t want to work at a place that would essentially shame me for having children when I can’t possibly control my ‘biological clock.'”
The comment section of her post was full of people who commiserated, and had alotto say about their own experiences.
One user,u/rejectallgoats, said, “When I was a postdoc I heard something like this in very hushed tones at a top research institution for a tenure track position. Scummy. [It’s] important to have women on the hiring committees.”
“It’s unfortunately true,” saidu/it_is_Karo. “I talked with two managers that admitted that if they had two young candidates with the same credentials, they would hire a man because there’s a higher risk that when a woman gets a stable job, she would want to have a family. 😅”
“This is so ironic because all my MALE coworkers are the ones having kids and taking parental leave,” saidu/shrewess.
One mom, with usernameu/Opala24, said, “I got rejected at one job because I am a mom of a toddler. How do I know that was the reason? Well, they liked me, and I did well [in the interview]… but the recruiter accidentally called me on WhatsApp. [She must have been] looking at my profile picture there.”
Useru/retromanirecalled “the epiphany I had at 19 that jobs asked for your title — Ms., Mrs., or Miss — and even if it’s optional, it is the stupidest, easiest way for them to turn down your application. They can just make that same conclusion about you possibly getting married/having children soon when cross referencing your title with your age.”
“My boyfriend’s sister is going into the same field as me,” saidu/mongoosedog12. “She, however, got a later start, and while we’re the same age, she’s going in as a ‘freshman’ at 30. Even though she’s not married, has no kids and currently doesn’t plan on having kids, I told her to exclude anything that would hint at her age.”
One woman,u/Comprehensive-Army65, wrote, “I got laid off for taking maternity leave. And I’m in Canada. I called a lawyer and the labor board, and the best they could do for me was make the company give me my job back for one month, after which the company would be free to fire me. I didn’t even bother.”
This type of discrimination doesn’t go away when people get past childbearing age, either. “On the flip side, with being older, ageism is rampant,” saidu/Chance_Split_7723. “I am in sudden pursuit of a job [after getting] laid off (in an industry that ‘celebrates’ age and experience), andugh. I’m not dead. I can still learn things. It’s frustrating.”
But things aren’t all bleak, and some people had great tips for how to mitigate sexism. Useru/Mahdreamswrote, “When looking into companies, find one with maternityandpaternity leave. We give 12 weeks’ paid leave toeitherpartner, adoption and surrogacy included. In my team of eight engineers and one architect (in which I’m the only woman), three had new births in the last year and one more will be going on leave in May. It speaks to the culture of the company when the benefit works for everyone. It discourages this kind of thinking.”
And finally, fromu/issadumpster: “I have heard women say they were fired when their manager found out they were pregnant. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen. [But] even women employers do that. I [once] watched a talk show where women employers openly admitted this, and refused to see their fault. They know they’re enabling men, and they like it. [It’s almost like] if they had to suffer through something, they want subsequent women to suffer too, instead of making sure they do not go through the same thing.”
observe : Some entry have been redact for length and/or clarity .
